Aurora CO Shooting and MSNBC coverage

July 20, 2012
posted by Captain Obvious

1) Story and initial fallout
For those of you who haven’t been following the news, a maniac shot up a movie theater during the Dark Knight Rises. Maniac was a 24 year old male from Colorado. He used some of the more popular firearms available in the US, and was decked out in body armor to protect himself from being shot at. The choice of a dark movie theater would have also made it more difficult to engage him. Apparently he used a smoke device of some kind. He turned himself in to the police after the shooting without resisting.

As of this writing 12 are dead, 50 wounded. He was wearing a gas mask and other gear. He booby trapped his home. This wasn’t a simple Postal Worker who lost their mind – he’s on the “John Doe from Se7en” end of the spectrum of lunatics.

Thus far:
-Piers Morgan (via Twitter) has been a useful idiot, chiming in with the same non-wisdom that the British have applied in the face of violent crime – the white flag.
-King Bloomberg has reiterated the ultimatum that serfs are not to be entrusted with their own defense.
-This morning ABC started the Tea Party – to the shooter link. To be fair this had to do with the man’s name, this “hiccup” was explainable. I’m surprised no one has said “Palin” yet (like the Arizona Shooting’s coverage.)

Bloomberg’s “point” about America vs some parts of the world:
King Michael mentioned that a few cherry picked European countries have lower gun related crime rates (IIRC The UK’s violent crime rate has continued soaring since their gun banning started) to “make a point”. It’s long been a meme on the left that there’s nothing wrong with America that can’t be fixed with Epcot-Europe’s features.
Just one problem: NY had a higher crime rate than the UK even before* centerfire firearms were widely available. The gun tool did not change that feature. But that’s history, history is for people interested in reality, and reality has no place in the world of a “White-Knight”, here to save society from itself via feel good laws and taxes. Gun control doesn’t have a great track record elsewhere. Especially in the cases of communist governments (The ones that killed millions of their own citizens during the 20th century). A more modern example is in nearby Mexico. You can see how well the very strict Mexican gun laws have disarmed their law abiding public leaving only the cartels free to carry guns have solved their gun problem. With 50,000+ people dead in 2 years, one would think that Mexico would go back to their square wheel with revisions. They have not.

2) Facts to remember about this shooting:
-This theater, was apparently a “gun free zone”.The shooter was not informed that he was not allowed to bring guns into said theater.
-Murder is illegal
-So was shooting at people
-So was shooting in the movie theater.
-It is illegal to build bombs
-It is illegal to booby trap one’s home with bombs.
None of these things stopped the events of today. Solution: More laws like these.

Against my better judgement I watched MSNBC, from time to time I’m curious and wish to see what the inhabitants of Mars believe. MSNBC had on Bloomberg, “the Brady Bunch”, former PA Governor Ed Rendell, really a who’s who of prominent “gun-grabbers”. The debate centered around all the assumptions that the left has about the gun issue, this was an entirely one sided non-debate.

3 False Memes brought up today:
The deregulation meme: For every ill, the left has the cure – more government. See regulation isn’t actually a complex process, it’s simply a dial one turns. When things go “bad” or “wrong-bad” or “bad-wrong-ick”, one turns the dial to regulation, and happiness, sunshine, and unicorns come out of the regulation machine. The ONLY way bad things happen is if we turn the dial back or forgot to turn the machine on, because we have THAT  much control over not only our own lives, but those of millions others too. It’s this line of thinking that supports a “bigger government is a good thing, comrade” ideology.

NRA Bogeyman meme: See, in state after state voters have tossed out anti-gun Democrats (and* Republicans in some cases) at all levels of Government. This has happened in election after election since the early 90s. The geniuses at the think tank at MSNBC have boiled this down to the “gun-lobby” and the NRA.
The “Lobby” meme is one “The main stream media monster” only brings up in conjunction to causes of the right.
Oil Lobby. Corporate lobby. Gun lobby. For any issue on the right, there is a lobby-name the media will use to dismiss it.
One never hears about the small but very loud environmental lobby, or the trial lawyers lobby that prevents tort reform, the anti-gun lobby that repeatedly uses tragedies to raise money and push political agendas, the teacher’s unions who have never ceased lobbying politicians for greater benefits at the cost of the tax payer, etc. We do not hear about lobbyists in these situations, they are referred to as “The people”. When voters vote down the prize bills of the left, it is often assumed that ____ lobby MUST have been the cause. MSNBC has a talent for Orwellian names.

The “start the conversation” meme: The left doesn’t want to have a conversation about maniacs who build bombs. They do not want to have a real conversation about what gun laws work (like the NICs system) and what gun laws don’t work (Assault weapons ban, bans on concealed carry, 1 gun a month (for law abiding citizens, not for criminals who do not go into gun stores in the first place). The elite’s belief is that “now people will pay attention to this “problem” that I have the fixes for, now they have to do what I say, we have to pass our stuff now while people are paying attention!”
What they want, is for people to read the preambles of their bills, see step 1 of their thinking, and lock step with them.
They do not want a real debate on these bills or these issues. The 40minute circle jerk on MSNBC made this abundantly clear. Failed gun bills like the fallaciously named “assault weapons” ban were touted as fixes to our problems, the conclusion that has already been reached by our genius TV hosts who would not be able to tell the difference between an “Assault weapon” and a “non-assault-weapon” if it was sitting in their hands. Their pretenses of empiricism or fair “debate” is really just a marketing slogan in this case. They already have the script they want their opponents to follow.

“I wish guns weren’t real”: In an “ideal” world to the left, guns would not exist. (In this “ideal world” communism works too, because people being rewarded equally for unequal work isn’t a flawed premise to some). See, guns in the hands of criminals and rampant stabbings are preferable to an educated and armed public. It’s also more “fair” for elderly men to face multiple younger men that are armed, or a woman in similar shoes to have those same odds. (These things happen, every day – perhaps not in gated communities, college campuses, or nice suburban neighborhoods, but they do occur).

Even in a world where only knives existed, women, the elderly, and some men are at a decided disadvantage in knife fighting, as they were for quite some time. It was even worse in the fist/clubs only world that was human existence for quite some time. Think of a world where the ultimate power was decided by those with the most physical power, and will to use it? There was no sense in protesting Barbarian Clan Ugh-Egh’s leader if he did not see your grievance as worth his time. The first non-violent protest was likely met with a mammoth bone to the skull!

Think of the world when swords and armor were the weapons of war.  Those who could afford the best armor, swords, training, and diet to maintain muscle mass – these people were at a decided advantage over the serfs. It was through this that elites could both protect their power and impose their will. (Funny, as many left-wing elitists believe what’s wrong with society, is that the elites are not allowed to rule in private) There is nothing that is preferable or more desirable about this existence. The firearm, while merely a tool, was one that changed world – no longer would a man be able to do as he pleased merely for being taller, stronger, and more aggressive than his countrymen. Whether the gun was in the hands of a police officer, or one of a citizen who did not wish to have their fate determined by scum, this tool has been a positive introduction to the world in many cases.

That banning “hi-capacity” (standard capacity) magazines will fix everything: No it won’t. What this is, is disgusting ignorance and people getting wrapped around the axle on details. Shooting someone in the first place the problem!

They’re more or less accepting the fact that people will be shot because they’re unarmed. They’re accepting the fact that shootings can take time. Instead of wondering how to stop shootings when they happen, or before they happen (using a means other than feel good laws or bans on legal* concealed carry) they’re more concerned with the perceived amount of deaths per unit time. See, when a shooter can merely take out a second gun or reload a magazine, the shooting will continue. There is not only no guarantee that a magazine capacity ban will prevent a mass shooting or limit the total death count, there isn’t even proof that this idea works in the real world.Yet, a magazine ban is supposed to be merely accepted at face value as an idea that works, when it is absolutely nothing of the sort. (But remember: questioning that stupid idea makes YOU the one who is un-tolerant, comrade.) Keep in mind that a magazine ban would be more likely to affect those legally carrying guns for their own defense. This thought doesn’t even enter the discussion.
Suicide and Guns meme: This is a meme of lesser popularity, one that’s more popular among social scientists. Today Chris Hayes brought it up. See, when someone attempts to strangle themselves, it may not work. If someone jumps off a bridge, there’s a tiny chance they make it. Aiming a shotgun at one’s own face at close range has a slightly higher % of “working”. Most of the gun deaths in the US are in fact suicides. I believe 2/3s of them are, last I checked. A young psychology student once stated adamantly to me that they would ban all guns tomorrow, simply due to the “fact” that if guns were to simple un-exist tomorrow, then many people would survive suicide attempts. Such people have understandable frustrations- but it’s such emotions and frustrations that lead people to do dumb things with good intentions.

4) Thoughts:
It’s sad to watch smart people become snared by their own words, I routinely watch others with greater mental horsepower than I fall into these ditches. They use the words “gun control” as if they believe that the laws will actually prevent guns from killing people, or prevent criminals (who break laws), from obtaining guns illegally (as they always have), to kill more people and break more laws (which is, again, illegal). I can picture Jon Stewart (“fake” news man) matter of factly attempting to state that these laws are “common sense” – though there’s nothing logical about enacting laws that would criminalize normal people and fail to solve the problems that prompted their discussion. Why do I bring up Stewart? I remember his “matter of fact” defense of another one of the left’s unassailable pet causes, green-energy-anything. His defense of it amounted to gluing paper wings to a cinder block and calling his opponent’s irrational for being skeptical of the block-plane’s performance, or lack there of. What bothers me, is the fact that this is likely going to be again the left’s meme do jour during this debate. They have the light the truth and the way, those who oppose them MUST be stupid or unreasonable for not agreeing with their false assumptions – when in fact they’re best served by throwing their criticisms into a mirror.


2 Responses to “Aurora CO Shooting and MSNBC coverage”

  1. Jisselle Says:

    Where I live asking soeomne if they own a gun would get a “yes” about as often as asking them if they owned a car. The truth that when secnds count the police are ony minutes away is quite obviouis in rural America.I bought my first pistol a few weeks ago, primarily for home protection and to carry on walks and bicycle rides. You never know what kind of animals my pop out of the woods. Bears and mountain lions have been reported in my county. I’ve seen a bobcat on my back porch and in my front yard. Plus a wild dog or coyote is always a possibilty.As for doctors, my doctor made enough mistakes in my treatment for me to go elsewhere. Simple stuff like incorrectly running glucose test and such. We could save a lot of lives if doctors policed themselves better.I think I’ll use Trey’s response if asked. I keep my gun unloaded but the clip and gun within reach of each other.

  2. Captain Obvious Says:

    Exactly right – I can’t help but shake my head when anti-gunners use the hysterically inaccurate “you will never get to your gun in time” argument. See, apparently their inflated numbers yielding a break in to shot fired time of 30 seconds – is too long. But calling the police and waiting an extra 8min and 30seconds, one would somehow have enough time to do that. Ridiculous.

    In terms of bears and mountain lions: Consider a pistol specifically for those critters. Most service pistols (9mm, .40S&W, .45acp) are really inadequate for bears. If you’re in “big brown bear/grizzly/polar” territory, forget those calibers.
    While it’s possible to hunt a small blackbear with something like a .44special, but keep in mind you’re hunting a bear in a situation like that. You’re not in an “oh my god something the size of a 4 wheeler is running at me and I need to put a hit through a deep skull right now to prevent becoming food” scenario. In most “Bear attack” scenarios, the bear gets the drop on you* first.

    If you’re in blackbear country:
    -Consider a .44magnum or a 10mm handgun with heavy hard-cast rounds.
    -Some consider the .500 magnum and .460XVR rounds the “minimum” for very big bears, and that they’re compromises.
    -Many recommend the “bear spray”, it works, and it may be easier to use than a handcannon under stress.”
    -If you want a good “bear solution”, mull over a .45-70 “Guide-gun”, or a shotgun using hardcast slugs. They work.
    -The words you should be hearing in discussions about bear guns are things like “hard cast, meplat” etc. Capacity isn’t really the most important thing. In bear attacks, you’re really not going to have much time. a 9mm is most likely just going to be an irritant. If the bear is dissuaded from the attack, rangers and police will likely have to track down a wounded and angry bear, who may hurt others on its escape. (Use the spray over a 9.)

    Doctors and hiccups:
    -I have no real experience in such matters :3 Though my opinion is that the costs of defensive medicine have really jacked up our healthcare prices, and wasted a lot of time.

    On the gun unloaded:
    -Consider keeping your gun in “condition 3″ instead, in a good safe.Condition 3 is loaded mag inserted, empty chamber. Gun is not actioned. An accidental trigger pull yields a “click”. If it’s needed, action it.


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